The Wellness Upgrade on Elevate Springfield featuring Dr. Sammy Waggener and Dr. Daryl Allen: Rating Wellness Gadgets

Summary

In this episode, Dr. Sammy Waggener and Dr. Daryl Allen review and rate 21 popular chiropractic gadgets, discussing their effectiveness, benefits, and potential drawbacks. This fun and informative session helps listeners understand which wellness tools might be worth trying and how to approach new health gadgets safely.

Takeaways

• Effectiveness of inversion tables and neck hammocks
• Use of laser therapy and shockwave devices
• Cryotherapy and ice therapy benefits
• Cupping, K-taping, and dry needling insights
• Importance of therapeutic exercise and posture correction
• Safety tips for using health gadgets

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Transcript

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SPEAKER_04 2:26

We have a generalized family practice where we treat anyone from newborn all the way up to over 100 years old, all different kinds of ailments and issues, and we also do some wellness care.

SPEAKER_01 2:37

All right. So today we're gonna do something pretty fun, I think. So we're gonna rate some chiropractic gadgets. Everybody loves a good gadget, or at least a lot of people like good gadget, maybe. We'll see if you guys both like these gadgets or not. It'll be fun. So with social media and everything, gadgets can be just thrown at people, not just chiropractic gadgets, but for everything in the health and wellness realm. You see them all over Instagram and Facebook and TikTok and everything. So they are pretty popular right now in terms of everybody sees them. So I'm interested to see what you guys rate these bad boys. We've got like 21 of them on here. So we're gonna go through and rapid fire, but also give the audience a little bit of explanation on what that thing is.

SPEAKER_03 3:17

Okay, great.

SPEAKER_01 3:18

So all right. So number one, inversion. Before I before I begin, the rating is zero to ten, folks. Zero to ten. Okay. So 10 being ten being what? Awesome being the greatest works wonders for everybody. Yeah. Okay. All right. So one inversion table.

SPEAKER_03 3:36

Five out of ten.

SPEAKER_01 3:39

Six. I'll go six. You guys are pretty close on that one. Then what's an inversion table?

SPEAKER_02 3:43

Well, it's uh a table where you hook your feet, knees in, and it turns you upside down to provide a little distraction in the spine. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 3:52

See like a decompression table. Yeah. So if you have like disc issues, or if you have a job where you sit or bend forward a lot, or if you don't have a lot of mobility in your spine, I don't think an inversion table is a bad idea.

SPEAKER_02 4:03

No, no, it can bring some benefit. Take a little pressure off.

SPEAKER_01 4:08

This next one kind of has a fun name. I don't know what it is, a neck hammock.

SPEAKER_04 4:12

I guess it depends on which one you get, but I would say, I don't like four out of ten.

SPEAKER_02 4:18

Five. And and this one's uh there's a there's a number of different versions of it, but one that a lot of people see is like a like a weighted bag that goes over the door frame, over the door, and you put your head in it to kind of lift it up.

SPEAKER_01 4:32

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 4:33

It's very similar to the inversion table in it's what it's trying to what it's trying to accomplish, but more specifically for the neck.

SPEAKER_01 4:41

Gotcha. This next one I've used a number of times over the years, even growing up, I think it was one that my mom always had. So biofreeze. Yeah. Feels good.

SPEAKER_04 4:51

Four out of ten.

SPEAKER_02 4:52

Yeah. Well, four is good.

SPEAKER_04 4:54

I think it's great. Like if you are getting ready to go for a run or after a run, or if you, you know, have had a long day, or if you've worked out a lot, I think it feels good. I think there are better products out there.

SPEAKER_02 5:05

Well, everything in that uh arena is it kind of just overrides some of the pain sensors. It's cooling. It feels good, but feels good. How much does it really do?

SPEAKER_04 5:15

It's short term.

SPEAKER_01 5:16

Yeah. I think I've used one um like deep blue. Yeah, I love deep blue. That's the one we use now. The biofreeze. I remember using that one growing up at some point.

SPEAKER_04 5:23

Yeah, I would rate deep blue higher than biofreeze for sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:26

Okay. Definitely a little stronger. I'm on the right track there then. Yes. Next one, class four laser therapy.

SPEAKER_04 5:32

Eight out of ten.

SPEAKER_01 5:33

Oh man. Uh-oh.

SPEAKER_02 5:35

We'll give it a we'll give it a seven. All right. Yeah. Yeah. Uh this she likes the gadgets way more than I do. Uh, I'm kind of more the old school chiropractor.

SPEAKER_04 5:45

But there's a lot of really good research on the problem is is there's a lot of lasers out there that you can just buy online or buy on Amazon that are cheap. A good quality laser is tens of thousands of dollars. Like they're not, but there's a lot of really good research on laser therapy. And I think to encourage healing and cellular regeneration, it's it's pretty good.

SPEAKER_01 6:05

Okay. So, I mean, is that is that what it's for? Cellular regeneration. Okay. Gotcha. All right. Ooh, another fun name. I have no idea what it does. Shockwave.

SPEAKER_03 6:15

8.5 out of 10.

SPEAKER_02 6:17

I'll I'll give it an eight. That one's that one's kind of a newer one on the market. Well, it's actually not that new. It the technology's been around for a long time, but it's uh they they've improved it and changed what it does. That one blasts a sound wave deep into the tissues to once again change some of the cellular healing, break through some of the scar tissue and adhesions in a joint and bring some blood flow.

SPEAKER_04 6:41

It's really good. It's it's just different than laser. You just use them for different things. One's for more acute, one's for more chronic. And uh I like shockwave a lot.

SPEAKER_01 6:52

I think I'd like to try that one. It'd be fun.

SPEAKER_02 6:55

Yeah. And all these things, there's so many companies out there. It's I had I had one for a short time, but it wasn't the right fit for me, that model. So I I need to research it a little bit more to find uh one that I I think would be more useful in in the office.

SPEAKER_01 7:09

Mm-hmm. Okay. Next one, I've used this before icing and cryotherapy.

SPEAKER_02 7:16

Big fan. I'm gonna go eight. Yeah, maybe nine. Oh, nine. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 7:20

I wouldn't give it more than eight, but I think icing, especially after injury, I know there's some conflict on that, but for the most part, I it's great for inflammation, I think.

SPEAKER_02 7:30

Yeah, you can't go wrong with icing.

SPEAKER_01 7:32

And the difference between just straight icing and cryotherapy.

SPEAKER_04 7:36

Cryotherapy chambers, it's kind of a fancy, quick, global way of decreasing inflammation in the body, I would say.

unknown 7:44

Right.

SPEAKER_04 7:45

Um, but a good old ice pack will do.

SPEAKER_01 7:47

Yeah. Okay. With the cryotherapy chambers is similar to do ice baths and cold plunges and things like that. Similar, yeah. Similar.

SPEAKER_04 7:55

Similar.

SPEAKER_01 7:56

Just a whole body. Right. Just everything. Yeah, instead of just your up to here or whatever. Yeah. I don't think I've ever dunked my head in my polar plunge. I don't believe I've done that. So all right. Next thing. Cupping's good.

SPEAKER_02 8:13

Um I'll give it a we'll go seven. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 8:17

Yeah. I would agree with that. Six or seven out of ten. Yeah. It's I like cupping and people think normally it feels really good and they get a lot of immediate relief with it and decrease in muscle tension.

SPEAKER_02 8:29

Yeah. Uh so many of these things is to to bring blood flow into an area. Obviously, if there's more nutrients and more blood flow, uh it's going to promote some healing instead of an area getting stagnant.

SPEAKER_04 8:39

So it's definitely good for recovery.

SPEAKER_02 8:41

Right.

SPEAKER_01 8:42

So how does it work? You've got like I don't know if they're like suctions, but they you've got the little cup thing, you put it on their back or wherever, and it starts pulling the skin up and the whatever, right?

SPEAKER_02 8:50

There's a number of different types. Uh, they all function. The the outcome is the same, but it yeah, it creates a suction on the skin and and opens up the different layers of tissues. And some of them you can kind of work around and work through some adhesions in in that area.

SPEAKER_04 9:05

Mm-hmm. Some of them use fire, some of them are silicone cups, some people use plastic. So I think that's more of like a practitioner choice rather than an effectiveness. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 9:14

All right. I have no idea what this is. K-taping.

SPEAKER_04 9:17

Kinesio taping.

SPEAKER_01 9:18

Oh, okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:19

And both of these things are have been popular. You've seen all the guys in the Olympics with all the cupping mark, the round circles, and the and the covered in K-tape. Covered in the in the neon tape.

SPEAKER_04 9:30

So I think I would probably give K-taping like a five out of ten. It doesn't have the best research, but it definitely has more than it used to. And I had an ailment in 2019 that I did a lot for, but then I did do some appropriate K-taping and it made a huge difference.

SPEAKER_02 9:46

Yeah, I I'd be in the same realm, five, six, somewhere in through there.

SPEAKER_04 9:50

It's just kind of inconvenient. It comes off easily and you got to reapply it. It's tough.

SPEAKER_02 9:55

And uh you so many people you can just go buy it at the store, and uh my boy's a runner, and I I've seen some of the athletes just put it on. Well, there's a lot more to it than just putting a piece of tape on you.

SPEAKER_04 10:06

And so Yeah, you have to put the right amount of tension on it.

SPEAKER_02 10:09

Yeah, I would imagine it probably doesn't work great for a lot of people when they just slap it on.

SPEAKER_03 10:14

But I don't hate it. No.

SPEAKER_02 10:16

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 10:17

Dry needling. I don't know much about it.

SPEAKER_04 10:20

Seven out of ten.

SPEAKER_01 10:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 10:22

Depends on the ailment, but usually to encourage healing and help people get over injuries quicker. Sometimes you can hook it up to a little bit of an electrical current. I like it. It does really well for plantar fascia issues. I'd say seven out of ten. It's just the problem with dry needling is some people are afraid of needles and sometimes it can be uncomfortable to do.

SPEAKER_01 10:43

All right. So it might be a completely stupid question, but why is it dry needling? What the the wording behind it?

SPEAKER_04 10:50

So basically you're using small hair-like needles, and it's basically like an acupuncture needle, and you're putting it into it's it's not using like meridians like acupuncture does. It's like directly treating a trigger point or an injured muscle or a hurt lobac or something like that. So if you're just taking the needle and inserting it into the skin, so it's just a really tiny acupuncture needle.

SPEAKER_01 11:11

Makes sense. All right. Therapeutic exercise.

SPEAKER_04 11:15

Nine out of ten.

SPEAKER_02 11:16

Yeah, absolutely. It's all about the motion. If you're stiff, nothing's gonna work right. You need to get things moving and doing and and all those things attached to the joints, and it just affects everything.

SPEAKER_04 11:26

And I know there's some c controversy too between physical therapists and chiropractors, not all of them. I absolutely love all the physical therapists that I work with and we all treat each other. But I think sometimes there's chiropractors that are trying to do certain types of rehab that they don't know enough about, or there's physical therapists trying to adjust and maybe they didn't have that particular training. So I think there's some controversy there. But I absolutely love adjusting someone and I love that part of it. I don't necessarily love sitting through and rehabbing someone, but I love when people have both at the same time. So I love physical therapy. I think it's great.

SPEAKER_01 12:00

Okay. This next one, I have no idea what it is. Tens unit.

SPEAKER_02 12:05

A lot of people like them. I I don't like the feel of it. So I'm gonna go low. I'm gonna go three. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 12:10

Yeah, I'd say like four out of ten. The problem is, is you can buy those at the store. People wear them way too long. That's true. They get totally desensitized, they they don't use it right. They're trying to do it to block that pain response. I just think it's okay. It's good for to relax some tissues if you have some injury and stuff, but it's okay.

SPEAKER_02 12:30

What is it?

SPEAKER_01 12:30

What what does it do?

SPEAKER_02 12:31

It's uh two little electrodes and it just creates a uh pulsation. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 12:37

It's like little sticky pads that you put on.

SPEAKER_02 12:39

And and it's to kind of get just the muscles to twitch and fire a little bit. Um, once again, to bring some blood flow into the area, get them to relax, you know, kind of tire them out so they can relax. Kind of contracts and fatigues, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:52

Okay. So I've I've seen those before. I just didn't know what they were called.

SPEAKER_04 12:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:55

Next one, I have one of these. So does Courtney. Weighted vests.

SPEAKER_04 13:00

I guess it depends on what you're using it for.

SPEAKER_01 13:02

Right.

SPEAKER_04 13:03

So I guess if you're using it for bone density issues, I would probably give it a seven out of ten.

SPEAKER_02 13:07

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 13:08

But if you're doing it to try to burn calories and use it that way, just to be more efficient with your exercising, I would give it a two out of ten.

SPEAKER_02 13:15

Yeah, and I think the research, if I'm not mistaken, yeah, it doesn't really bring that much more to the exercise world. But you think, oh, I'm carrying more weight, so I've got to be working harder. Um, but just walking or doing whatever, I don't really think it changes your muscle combination of how your body's firing.

SPEAKER_04 13:35

There was a PubMed article that was released, I think it was maybe a year or two ago, that was talking about if you walked a 5K in a best versus not, it was only like 35 additional calories were burnt or something like that. So I can't remember the exact exactly. So that part, it wasn't necessarily worth it. But some of my women who are small females who have bone density issues, osteoporosis issues, the problem is this people probably aren't wearing the right size either. Um, but they recommend like 10% of your weight to wear. Eight to 10, 8 to 12. Depends on what your end goal is. Um, but another problem with that is is all day long we're causing compression on the spine. So then these people go do activity with compression on the spine. So if you have disc injuries or if you don't necessarily have bone density issues, or if you're trying to do it to be in a calorie deficit, I don't think it's beneficial. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:21

Okay. Yeah. How is it supposed to help with bone density?

SPEAKER_04 14:24

So anytime you add weight to if you have somebody who has a decrease in weight, you want to either lift weights or have a weighted vest or have the ankle and wrist weights because it's going to cause your bone to get stronger.

SPEAKER_02 14:38

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 14:39

It increases the density in it.

SPEAKER_02 14:41

Bones need that impact, just like you build a muscle by exercising it, the bone is built by having some compression to it. Um, the harder it's hit, the more it has to grow.

SPEAKER_04 14:51

It has to grow. And then a lot of older people, when they are tight and stuff, they want to go swimming, or it's an easier but still good way to move your body. But that's the worst thing if you have bone density issues.

SPEAKER_01 15:01

Okay. All right. Well, the stat you gave a minute ago, my weighted vest is probably too light for me then because it's it's one of those that doesn't look like a weighted vest. I don't know if you've seen the ion brand ones. You know, they there looks like a nicer vest you could wear to work or something like that. So it's I think it's only six or eight pounds. You know, I think what'd you say? 10%.

SPEAKER_04 15:20

Yeah, they say like eight to ten or eight to twelve percent of your weight is what you know I will say.

SPEAKER_01 15:25

Uh ideally should start out with two pounds is not ten percent of my body weight.

SPEAKER_04 15:28

So maybe up that a little bit, Robert. That's right.

SPEAKER_01 15:30

And I think that needs to be up a little bit.

SPEAKER_04 15:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:32

So all right. Oh, we've got one of these too, a massage gun. Feels good.

SPEAKER_04 15:37

Feels good.

SPEAKER_01 15:38

I'll give it a six.

SPEAKER_04 15:39

Seven out of ten for sure.

SPEAKER_02 15:41

Yeah, it feels good. It loosens some things up.

SPEAKER_04 15:44

It's a good way after you do activity for muscle recovery, too. Patients love it. 99% of patients love it.

SPEAKER_01 15:51

Yeah, feels good. A lot of things feel good. Is there anything with that that you could hurt yourself with that if you're not?

SPEAKER_04 15:56

Yeah, don't put it on your neck. People put it on their neck all the time. Don't do that.

SPEAKER_02 15:59

Yeah, you you you want it into the the meaty part of the tissue.

SPEAKER_04 16:04

And don't overdo it.

SPEAKER_02 16:05

Yeah. A lot of people just hold it on there for all night long while they're sitting on the couch.

SPEAKER_03 16:10

Yeah, don't do that.

unknown 16:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 16:13

A little's good. Oh, I've heard a little bit about these toe separators.

SPEAKER_04 16:19

Love eight out of ten. Eight point five out of ten.

SPEAKER_02 16:22

I'm gonna go low. We're gonna go like two or something.

SPEAKER_04 16:28

Um there's a lot of new research on foot health that I've gotten really into. And uh I think it's really important.

SPEAKER_02 16:36

And and so I don't mind the premise of it. I would much rather um do that actively of spreading the toes and doing it that way versus just putting a wedge in there.

SPEAKER_04 16:46

I don't disagree. The problem is people don't do that. Well, that's true. So this is kind of an easy way to get it done. There's an Instagram page called Gate Happens, G-A-I-T happens, and it's a group of physical therapists, and it is really good for foot health because it's basically the foundation of everything.

SPEAKER_01 16:59

So And these toe separators, it's like just a little like you said, wedges that go in between.

SPEAKER_04 17:04

It kind of looks like the pedicure thing. Yeah, yeah. But I like the jelly ones. There's some on Amazon called yoga toes, and I like to put those in the freezer, and then after I work, I stretch my feet out, stretch my toes out, and then I put the toe separators in from the freezer, so it's kind of anti-inflammatory, but then it also is really good to get all of your foot stretched back out after being crammed all day.

SPEAKER_01 17:23

Okay. How long do you typically need to wear those?

SPEAKER_04 17:25

Work up to 20 minutes a night. I started with 10 and at first it was I could barely get them in there just because it's you gotta get used to it like anything else. You gotta train it. Sometimes I'll wear it for about 30 minutes a night, but I'd say on average 20 minutes a night.

SPEAKER_02 17:37

Okay. Or a day. Really the big thing here is so many people's shoes are too tight and just squeezes all the toes together. Well, more barefoot time outside in the yard is gonna is gonna be great for you.

SPEAKER_01 17:48

Absolutely. All right. I'm not sure exactly what these are, but I could imagine. Posture correctors.

SPEAKER_02 17:55

Two out of ten. Yeah, I'm gonna be in the same boat. And the rationale is kind of just like the toe separators. Um, you know, I'm sure there's a handful of people that they would be really beneficial for, but the general population, not so much.

SPEAKER_04 18:07

I think the problem with them is people wear them and it might hold them back, but then their muscles aren't necessarily working because it's like holding that position for them. And so then they take it off and they're just weakened.

SPEAKER_03 18:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 18:18

They're not necessarily training it. I think the best thing for posture would be therapeutic exercise.

SPEAKER_02 18:22

Right. It's just your body gets used to, if you keep it in that, you know, like the the the weight belt, if you wear that all day long, your body never has to work. So it if you take it off, well, it's where was my help at? And it gets weak.

SPEAKER_01 18:36

So what would a posture corrector look like? Are there various kinds?

SPEAKER_04 18:40

They kind of look like a little ropey vest almost. Some of them have velcro, some of them have straps, they go around your shoulders and like tighten them so it pulls your shoulders back. Okay. So a lot of people want to wear them at a desk or I don't know. I guess if it reminds you to have good posture, but it doesn't do the work for you, it's not a bad idea.

SPEAKER_02 18:57

Yeah. Short periods of time. You know, if you're wearing it all day, I'm gonna give it a zero. But if you're wearing it just here and there to just like the weight belt, if you if you wear it while you're doing a big lift or doing a limited amount of work, but then take it off the rest of the day, you're good to go.

SPEAKER_04 19:12

I agree.

SPEAKER_01 19:13

Okay. This next one, I've got one of these. Vibration plate.

SPEAKER_02 19:17

I like it.

SPEAKER_04 19:17

Love it.

SPEAKER_01 19:18

I'll give it a six.

SPEAKER_04 19:20

Seven out of ten. Okay. I think that's another thing. In chiropractic school, we had a really nice, expensive, well-functioning one that had a certain level of vibration with it. I think that you can buy some of these really crummy ones off a TikTok shop and Amazon, and they're maybe not necessarily doing anything. But I think for lymphatic flow and muscle relaxation and even just supporting the joints.

SPEAKER_02 19:45

So, you know, you're getting mobility in it.

SPEAKER_01 19:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 19:47

I like them. If it's a good one.

SPEAKER_01 19:49

Just for a second, yeah, I think because it's thrown out there a lot, and I don't think people know what it is. Lymphatic flow. We just said or lymphatic drainage. People say that all the time, but what is that?

SPEAKER_02 19:59

Well, everybody's heard of the lymph nodes and that lymphatic system.

SPEAKER_04 20:02

You could describe it as that would be another way where your body has highways and your lymph nodes are filtering or protecting um your body against certain things. And so people get lymphatic flow issues for a lot of different reasons. It could be surgical, it could be illness. And so it helps to remove the traffic jams of the highways in your body. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 20:28

Next one I've seen a lot, but I've never actually used myself the mouth tape.

SPEAKER_02 20:32

We're gonna go low. Oh, I feel a zero coming on. Well, we may go zero. I, you know, I it's not out of the question here.

SPEAKER_04 20:40

I think it depends on what you're using it for because I do a lot of this is where we differ because I do a lot of pediatric and small child stuff. And we work a lot with Dr. Lisa Baines, and she does a lot of the tongue lip tie release and a lot of the swollen tonsils, small airway. The airways are so important. If you're a mouth breather, it changes the structure of your whole face. The problem is mouth taping isn't for everyone because if you have deviated septum or if you have a small nasal passageway, or if you have inflamed tonsils, it's not really safe to use it. But if you're doing it in regards to trying to get better, deeper sleep and to have a better formed mouth and face, I would give it like seven out of ten.

SPEAKER_01 21:23

Okay. Is there is there different types of mouth tape? I mean, or like I'm not sure I would assume there's a quality spectrum, just like that.

SPEAKER_04 21:37

The fancy hypoallergenic. It's a lot better now.

SPEAKER_01 21:42

Okay. All right. Next one seems to have been, I mean, it's trendy at some point. Stand standing desk.

SPEAKER_04 21:49

Nine out of ten.

SPEAKER_01 21:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:50

Yeah, it's it's up there. And they're they're so nice because you can you can sit for a little bit, stand for a little bit, um, move around, just not get stuck in one position all day. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:00

Sitting at a desk.

SPEAKER_01 22:00

Sit down for too long. I get really ants. I mean, one, I get antsy. I don't like being sitting.

SPEAKER_04 22:04

And it's horrible for your spine. It shortens your hip flexors and then they stay in that position for long. So they make those walking pads now. So I love if someone has the option, I tell them to get a standing desk, get a walking pad, put it on a slow pace, get your steps in throughout the day, get your body moving. I love them.

SPEAKER_01 22:20

Heck yeah. There we go. Foam roller. I've got one of these too.

unknown 22:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:25

Good. I love a foam roller. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:26

It feels good. Work some tightness out. Get some of the knots out. I'll give it a six, seven.

SPEAKER_04 22:32

Yeah. Seven out of ten for sure. I think for all of our younger listeners too.

SPEAKER_02 22:37

I was just gonna say, good job.

SPEAKER_01 22:38

Wyatt's gonna look at it. Nice job on that one.

SPEAKER_02 22:41

Wyatt school banned it. They they got together as a class and banned it.

SPEAKER_04 22:45

So I had so many little ones say that too. No, I think foam rolling's good. I think it feels good. I think it's good for thoracic extension. I think you can do good training on it. I think it's good.

SPEAKER_02 22:53

Yeah, it's uh pretty useful.

SPEAKER_01 22:55

Anything people should be careful of with that if they're rolling their back on that thing all the time.

SPEAKER_04 23:01

I mean, I think you can overdo it and then the curve of your spine changes in your low back. So you have your cervical lordosis, your thoracic kyphosis, where it changes, it comes back, and then in the lumbar spine it goes in again. So if you foam roll at the low back, you're shoving what's already in in more and you're kind of dressing those joints. So I always tell patients don't necessarily foam roll the low low back. You can do glutes and sacrum and stuff, that area, but I always say maybe don't do that part.

SPEAKER_01 23:28

Gotcha. All right. Next one, I have one of these infrared sauna.

SPEAKER_02 23:33

I hear good things. I don't know a ton about it. Um, but from what uh uh from what I hear, I I'd give it seven.

SPEAKER_04 23:40

Yeah, eight out of ten.

SPEAKER_01 23:42

And we've talked about that before. The infrared, you really have to have good quality lights, right? You can't just buy the cheapest stuff that you find.

SPEAKER_04 23:50

And it's consistency also. And um there's some people that can't do it. Cardiac patients I think if you can do it and if it's safe and you have clearance, I think it's a good thing.

SPEAKER_01 24:00

Okay. Any how often you should do it or anything like that?

SPEAKER_04 24:03

I think it depends on what your end goal is, like why you're using it. It depends on the strength, it depends on what you're using it for. So I can't really answer that.

SPEAKER_01 24:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 24:10

That answer could be all over the board for sure.

SPEAKER_01 24:12

Gotcha. Diaphromatic breathing. Diaphragmatic.

SPEAKER_02 24:19

Pretty fancy. You better explain what that's 10 out of 10 for me. Wow, ten.

SPEAKER_04 24:24

Um that's like the basis of everything, I think.

SPEAKER_02 24:27

I don't have a problem with it. Um we'll we'll go we'll go eight. I mean, you should probably breathe anyway.

SPEAKER_04 24:32

So the problem is is everybody breathes from their chest, they get tight up front, they get round shoulders, anterior head carriage, tight muscles, weak in the back. We don't breathe from down here, so we don't have any coarsibility. So that leads to low back pain, pelvic floor dysfunction.

SPEAKER_02 24:50

Well, and then even taking those deep breaths, uh, it's gonna move your organs around and it gets them to function a little bit better too. So yeah, it's it's important.

SPEAKER_04 25:00

Um practicing it every day five to ten minutes is very it would be difficult for most people.

SPEAKER_02 25:04

It's it's tough. Most people can't do it. It's very difficult.

SPEAKER_01 25:07

You might have to do a whole session on that and just go through all the different things. It's wonderful. Okay. Well, this was fun. We had some good stuff in there.

SPEAKER_04 25:16

So we didn't disagree that much. No, nothing.

SPEAKER_01 25:18

No, yeah, no, I was expecting more of a gulf on some of those, but no, I think you guys are pretty close on.

SPEAKER_02 25:22

Yeah, yeah. Most things are pretty good, pretty standard.

SPEAKER_01 25:26

So with all of these, whether they're on this list or these new gadgets come out, any advice for folks out there on looking at those before they start to use them? Any advice for them if they are looking at any gadget?

SPEAKER_02 25:39

Yeah, you know, you you gotta New isn't always the greatest. Sometimes the the time-tested things are better that have been around a little bit. Make sure the research is out there. And with anything, you can overdo it. Sometimes a little goes a long way. And I think that's where most people get in trouble with their gadgets.

SPEAKER_04 25:57

And just because you saw it on TikTok doesn't mean it's gonna work for you. So I would say ask your trusted health professional, whether that's your chiropractor, your medical doctor, your whatever it is. I would just make sure that just because it works for one person doesn't necessarily mean it's something that would work for you.

SPEAKER_01 26:12

Absolutely. And if somebody out there wants you guys to be their trusted health professional, where do they go to do that?

SPEAKER_04 26:17

7012 Kings Mill Court in Springfield, Illinois.

SPEAKER_01 26:20

There you go. Well, appreciate you guys coming in again.

SPEAKER_04 26:22

Thank you for having us. All right.

SPEAKER_01 26:24

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SPEAKER_00 27:16

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